Jump to content
Product Design Forums

Treasurebox
Sign in to follow this  
Guest DevrajJoshi

Top 10 Lies Told To Naive Artists And Designers

Recommended Posts

Guest DevrajJoshi

I chanced upon this while browsing around for some design process assignment stuff; i figured you may all like to see it. Pulled from http://www.paintercreativity.com/articles/top-10-lies.html

 

Top 10 Lies told to Naive Artists and Designers

 

Mark W. Lewis

  1. "Do this one cheap (or free) and we'll make it up on the next one."
     

    No reputable business person would first give away their work and time or merchandise on the hope of making it up later. Can you imagine what a plumber would say if you said "come in, provide and install the sink for free and next time we'll make it up when we need a sink." You would be laughed at! Also the likelyhood is that if something important came along, they wouldn't use you.


     

  2. "We never pay a cent until we see the final product."
     

    This is a croc, unless the person is leaving the door open to cheat you out of your pay. Virtually every profession requres a deposit or incremental payment during anything but the smallest project. Once you have a working relationship, you may work out another arrangement with a client. But a new client should not ask you to go beyond an initial meeting and, perhaps some preliminary sketches without pay on the job!


     

  3. "Do this for us and you'll get great exposure! The jobs will just pour in!"
     

    Baloney. Tell a plumber "Install this sink and my friend will see and you'll get lots of business!" Our plumber friend would say "You mean even if I do a good job I have to give my work away to get noticed? Then it isn't worth the notice." Also the guy would likely brag to everyone he knows about how this would normally cost (X) dollars, but brilliant businessman that he is he got if for free! If anyone calls, they'll expect the same or better deal.


  4. On looking at sketches or concepts: "Well, we aren't sure if we want to use you yet, but leave your material here so I can talk to my partner/investor/wife/clergy."
     

    You can be sure that 15 minutes after you leave he will be on the phone to other designers, now with concepts in hand, asking for price quotes. When you call back you will be informed that your prices were too high and Joe Blow Design/Illustration will be doing the job. Why shouldn't they be cheaper? You just gave them hours of free consulting work! Until you have a deal, LEAVE NOTHING CREATIVE at the clients office.


     

  5. "Well, the job isn't CANCELLED, just delayed. Keep the account open and we'll continue in a month or two."


    Ummm, probably not. If something is hot, then not, it could be dead. It would be a mistake to *not* bill for work performed at this point and then let the chips fall where they may! Call in two months and someone else may be in that job. And guess what? They don't know you at all.....


     

  6. "Contract? We don't need no stinking contact! Aren't we friends?"
     

    Yes, we are, until something goes wrong or is misunderstood, then you are the jerk in the suit and I am that idiot designer, then the contract is essential. That is, unless one doesn't care about being paid. Any reputable business uses paperwork to define relationships and you should too.


     

  7. "Send me a bill after the work goes to press."
     

    Why wait for an irrelevant deadline to send an invoice? You stand behind your work, right? You are honest, right? Why would you feel bound to this deadline? Once you deliver the work and it is accepted, BILL IT. This point may just be a delaying tactic so the job goes through the printer prior to any question of your being paid. If the guy waits for the job to be printed, and you do changes as necessary, then he can stiff you and not take a chance that he'll have to pay someone else for changes

    .
     

  8. "The last guy did it for XXX dollars."
     

    That is irrelevant. If the last guy was so good they wouldn't be talking to you, now would they? And what that guy charged means nothing to you, really. People who charge too little for their time go out of business (or self-destruct financially, or change occupations) and then someone else has to step in. Set a fair price and stick to it.


     

  9. "Our budget is XXX dollars, firm."
     

    Amazing, isn't it? This guy goes out to buy a car, and what, knows exactly what he is going to spend before even looking or researching? Not likely. A certain amount of work costs a certain amount of money. If they have less money (and you *can*) do less work and still take the job. But make sure they understand that you are doing less work if you take less money that you originally estimated. Give fewer comps, simplify, let them go elsewhere for services (like films) etc.


     

  10. "We are having financial problems. Give us the work, we'll make some money and we'll pay you. Simple."


    Yeah, except when the money comes, you can expect that you will be pretty low on the list to be paid. If someone reaches the point where they admit that the company is in trouble, then they are probably much worse off than they are admitting to. Even then, are you a bank? Are you qualified to check out their financials? If the company is strapped to the point where credit is a problem through credit agencies, banks etc. what business would you have extending credit to them. You have exactly ZERO pull once they have the work. Noble intentions or not, this is probably a losing bet. But if you are going to roll the dice, AT LEAST you should be getting additional money for waiting. The bank gets interest and so should you. That is probably why the person is approaching you; to get six months worth of free interest instead of paying bank rates for credit and then paying you with that money. Don't give away money.

     

    Now, this list wasn't meant to make anyone crazy or paranoid, but is designed to inject some reality into the fantasy.

     

    You are GOING to be dealing with people who are unlike yourself. Their motivations are their own and their attitudes are probably different than yours. There are going to be demands, problems, issues and all the hassles that go with practically ANY work/job/money situation. Too many times I see the sad example of someone walking in to a situation with noble intentions and then getting royally screwed, because what they see as an opportunity and a labor of love, the other party sees as something else entirely, not at all romantic or idealized, but raw and simple.

     

    How can you deal with this stuff and still do good creative work? Good question. THIS is why an education is important. You learn, out of the line of fire, how to deal with the art at it's own level and also how to deal with the crap that surrounds it. You may have tough teachers and think that it can't be worse, but wait until a business person has a hundred grand riding on your art! Then you will know what "demanding" means. You will then thank all those tough teachers for building up the calluses that enable you to enjoy the job rather than just feeling like it is all a big waste of time!


Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I hope that most of that stuff people get taught (or learn one way or another) by the time they get out of school, but then again it doesn't surprise me.

 

Personally my biggest pet peeve is people who look for work via the web, and people will literally offer their services for pissant amounts of money. It makes lots of people looking for work think that services (and good ones at that) are worth nothing.

 

The last time I did computer work for free I was probably about 15. Actually valuing your work and what people pay for it usually reflects positively both on your attitude and the attitude of the client.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest lufbrasketch

#4 happened to me when I went for an interview....I did some development work for a couple of hours and the company asked if they could keep it. I hadn't signed it but of course I said they could keep it which was pretty stupid considering I didn't even get the job in the end of the day. Looks like they got some free ideas. :(

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest w i l l

If you know their address and you have friends who are cage rage fighters none of that is a problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest evolve

great tips. Thank you for posting it, another reason why designer should be worried about getting stiff when doing freelance work or projects (individually/independent).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest R.B
great tips. Thank you for posting it, another reason why designer should be worried about getting stiff when doing freelance work or projects (individually/independent).

freudian slip? *lol*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest alanbradley

;)-->

QUOTE(R.B @ Feb 9 2007, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
great tips. Thank you for posting it, another reason why designer should be worried about getting stiff when doing freelance work or projects (individually/independent).

freudian slip? *lol*

 

Some poeple really enjoy their work!

 

Nah, good post :thumbsup:

 

A

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.