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Soma - Concept Mp3 Player [2009]

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Guest Andrew Kim

Hello everyone! I have been busy at work in finishing my latest design, called Soma.

 

You may remember my previous project: http://www.productdesignforums.com/index.p...t=0&start=0

 

I was surprised by the good reaction it got, so was eager to produce something more unique than before. I started working on this around November. I won't talk anymore as the design has everything I want to say. Please take a look and comment if you have any thoughts. Thanks.

 

Personal Info:

Name - Andrew Seunghyun Kim

Age - 17

Contact - designfabulous[at]gmail.com

 

 

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Guest Taro

good job again of course.

 

Yet I just have to make.. maybe three points.

 

- I saw all of your previous projects, I think there were two right? The first one amazed me, second one amazed me. This one, hmm, so so. Why? Because it's starting to feel that you are using the same layout, same views, similar looks all the time. Also, it's always electronics ;/

 

- I hope you took the time and look through everyone's comments on your previous project, and notice that process is really important. Where are you sketches? Rendering on computer is something that could be learned by simply following a set of tutorials, yet sketching is where you ideas came from.

 

- I personally think your stuff focuses on interface functions way too much. It is also mainly due to how you only design electronics. Your product should attract people's eyes at first sight, not to lure them in with crazy technology. And personally, i think that.. iPod is really a miracle, I mean.. technology are moving at an insane speed. What is new today is old tomorrow. People can always come up with better function as our technologies improve. However, if you design an unique system, or.. something that benefits human a lot, then its irreplaceable.

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i agree with above

 

this one didnt amaze me at all :[

 

however, i love your interface designs.

they are always good.

 

but aside from that, this one is kinda boring :[

 

and also i wanna see yo do something other than electronics for once.

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Guest jmc

Renders are really amazing!

Interfaces, shapes and ideas are innovative!

Presentation is clean and eye-attractive.

The style of marketing usaed there is really efficient in my opinion.

 

But, I agree with lthe last posts as well, claiming that interface takes too much place in that. I also want to see more views of it, some sketches and basic ideas, and of course some images with the device in a hand to get an idea of the size!!

 

Also, the side view show the device as being very thin but the front page shows a pretty thick object, unless there's something I didn't quite understand in that shape...

 

The page showing the LCD circuit is also pretty useless, in my opinion.

 

Clearly, what I prefer in this project is also your main point: the different panels you can choose for the back.

 

Really nice project overall, can't wait for your next work! :D

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Guest AutomóvilVerde

I agree what everyone else said.

 

I don't think a second touch display is appropriate, because it defeats the purpose of having a big main touch screen. One of the reasons the itouch/phone is so popular is because you can touch the screen and move things with your fingers, and not press something somewhere else which moves the object on the main screen.

 

Other than that I think it looks amazing, I love the record when you're playing music and the clothsline.

 

The exotic materials used can have a positive or negative effect. Today the big thing is eco-friendly, and exotic materials are far from that.

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Guest Buff

WOW, pretty amazing... the negative vibe that is.

 

Mind you Andrew, I think your concept is pretty amazing too.

 

I won't bother to complement your design, as it really goes without saying it's fabulous, thans my opinion of course.

 

What I would say is, that negative reaction to a design is as normal as a positive one, so don't let that inhibit you in anyway.

 

Remember, "you can please all of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all of the time... bla bla bla"

 

 

Do I need to see you sketches to understand your process? If I was a collage lecture YES, but if I was a buyer lloking for a company to develop me a new product, then it's the end result at the lowest possible price I'm interested in and I don't give a flying $%^& about "your process"

 

I'm in total agreement with csven on the use of sketching in ID for comercial use as opposed to academic, but then I would say that because I'm crap at sketching ;-) I still earn a decent living though and have happy customers who keep coming back.

 

My guess is Andrew that your future will be earning good income from a superior tallent, combined with good comercial sence (that's differant from common scence, as I find common sence not that common in reality)

 

TBQH, I would give you a job without you ever attaining a degree. Ive worked with tallented photographers for example who dont have a degree that produce better creative work even if less technically accomplished than many of the degree qualified photographers whos lighting set ups are text book, but deliver uninspiring work.

 

I'm not advocating btw that you don't attend Uni, in fact you should, because with your tallent and the parerwork to back it up, you are destined for a great carreer.

 

I dont think it matters either that you are just doing consumer electronics, as in work life you may very likely specialise, I have worked with people whos entire working life is spent designing just bottles.

 

For sure in academic circles you would need to demonstrate versitility, but it sure isnt the "be all and end all"

 

Also on the PCB front, it shows you are developing understanding of the fact that product have to be made, if you can work that out, your carrer will be more prosperous, if I had a pound for every design I've had to re-design to allow for manufactuing constraints, then I'd, well, I would have earned a good living doing it for the past eleven years.

 

Also the touch screen and secondry nav interface, it's been done before by some major players in the market place, so whilst its not an original idea, I think you should take heart in the fact that the reality of comercial constraint dictate that this "repeat" often happens, and being "oh so original" may be what's wanted for that first class honors, but I'd take the money anyday over the prestige of a top level degree.

 

I wish you well, and look forward to seeing more, whatever you decide to turn your hand too.

 

(if it sounds like I have a chip on my shoulder about education, dont worry, Im a well ballenced individual..... I have a chip on my other shoulder to match ;-) )

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Guest Andrew Kim

Buff, thanks for your words. I was not sure on how to reply to this topic and you seem to understand my feelings. Here are my thoughts:

 

1) Why do I never post sketches? I want to show the final product, not the process. Do you ever see companies like Samsung or Apple showing their sketches on their website? I am not saying that I am trying to sell my idea, but I want to show the most polished and finished state of my work. This quote, "Rendering on computer is something that could be learned by simply following a set of tutorials, yet sketching is where you ideas came from." made me absolutely furious. I think you are undervaluing the value of design. If you want to see sketches, check out my sketches in my sketching thread.

 

2) I do think that my layout has been similar but I feel that this is the best way to show my design. I am an industrial designer, not a graphic designer. What I do with layout, text and graphics is only to enhance my design, and has absolutely no meaning by itself.

 

3) I am quite disappointed that most people here were not able to grasp my heavy reliance on UI. The sad truth is that displays are getting larger and leaving less room for actually physical design. The iPhone, Samsung Omnia, LG Prada are all pretty much identical looking IMO. This is why I didn't use black and put most of my design on the back. Also, the future is in software and UI. I feel that the UI and hardware must be developed together, and in harmony to compete in the future. The Assistant Director at College for Creative Studies said that's what made my work unique and told me to continue in this direction.

 

4) Everyone is saying that I am doing too many electronics. Well, this is the field that I have passion in, so it's what I enjoy doing the most. Keep in mind that I'm doing this for fun. My next project will be a TV, so I guess many people will be disappointed again.

 

I'll just leave it at that for now. I'm glad that people are posting their opinions, but these are some points that I felt needed to be taken out of my system. Thanks.

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no doubt.

your interfaces are always amazing and pleasing to look at.

 

Actually the class im taking right now, heavily emphasizes interface.

 

You would probably do a killer job in this class.

And its right up your alley, electronics.

 

just curious what does soma mean? and the number?

just wondering if its your 35th project :]

 

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can u link us to your sketching page?

 

also, what you are doing is great presentation boards.

Visually attractive, and definately eye catching.

 

But once you get into college.

They are gonna want to see your process.

As a professional or business, like apple u stated, they arent gonna release 'process' boards to the public.

But as a student going to a college.

And getting an education... you are gonna need to present ALL of it.

 

In a way that looks as good as what you have here, but with sketches, researches, inspiration and all that other good stuff.

 

That explains the WHO - WHAT - WHEN - WHERE - WHY - HOW

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Guest csven

First reaction: meh. Fluid forms aren't new, so I view the shape as something sculptural ... with a "square" screen forced inside the shape (which seems contradictory to the whole text deriding squarish shapes).

 

A few observations:

 

1) I don't see parting lines or have any sense of how this is assembled.

 

2) I didn't get a visual sense of scale from the visuals. I had to read the literal size of the screen when I'd rather have seen a visual of this in someone's hands.

 

3) While the presentation is nice, I'd venture the perspective view is a bit too severe for an object that small (which, btw, is extraordinarily common, probably because as designers we're so used to seeing wild perspectives in sketches).

 

4) The curvature on the screen side seems sufficient to cause some deviation in the "straight" lines you show in the orthographic views, yet I don't perceive anything but straight lines in any view which suggests a much more flat surface.

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Guest Taro

Andrew, just to add-on, I didn't mean to offend you by anything I say.

 

First of all, I'm not sure if this is old news or new news, but I saw an article/show about these flexible screens, its like a pad, and you can roll it and put it in your pocket. Later, you can roll it out and it becomes a monitor. I personally feel that this new technology will be a big part of the near future, as you being passionate about electronics, check it out if you haven't.

 

- I had absolutely no idea where your sketching topic is, or maybe its just really really far back in the forum that you just .. kinda never posted any new stuff.

 

1) Why do I never post sketches? I want to show the final product, not the process. Do you ever see companies like Samsung or Apple showing their sketches on their website? I am not saying that I am trying to sell my idea, but I want to show the most polished and finished state of my work. This quote, "Rendering on computer is something that could be learned by simply following a set of tutorials, yet sketching is where you ideas came from." made me absolutely furious. I think you are undervaluing the value of design. If you want to see sketches, check out my sketches in my sketching thread.

 

you already said it yourself, your not selling anything. I think a good designer could be really confident of both sketch and final work? Why can't a sketch be nicely polished? And before you go furious again, calm down and listen... since this is really.. true. I know kids at my age or younger that can produce something at the quality of your work, or even beyond. However, they can't sketch nor design. (not saying you can't, you have good stuff). In addition, if I give them a design, and tell them how to lay it out, then they can go at it without any problem.

 

Your layout WAS really cool, but it seems really similar to your previous ones, that's why I call it a tutorial; your OWN tutorial.

 

Also, I don't get why I am undervalueing your design or anyone's design. Design does NOT equal photoshop work.

 

- Your layout is good, yet when its repitative..... it's not really that your enhancing your design. I mean.. if for every single electronics you design, you're going to use similar layouts and fonts and all (seems like it now)... ..then...... ok..

 

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the following are not meant to be offensive at all:

 

4) Everyone is saying that I am doing too many electronics. Well, this is the field that I have passion in, so it's what I enjoy doing the most. Keep in mind that I'm doing this for fun. My next project will be a TV, so I guess many people will be disappointed again.

 

I believe we are trying to study product design, not electronic design. Yet you seem to be doing a great job in this thing you like.. so go for it.

I just though that, maybe of your design are too much based on technology and engineering. I don't know if you have a background in those areas at this age, but the thing with designing technology is that it needs to be possible. To CREATE a new technology/system is.... not a product designer's job.. i believe.

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Guest AutomóvilVerde

I have to agree with you on that all touch phones/music players are looking the same now a days, but what people want is a big touch screen. they don't want multiple screens, as I was saying before, it takes away from the touching experience.

 

I was wondering one thing, as a ID do you get to design thee interfaces for electronics? Because I really want to do designs like you are, phones, music players, etc. and It wouldn't be fun to do if I could only design the exterior design.

 

And I don't think it matters if your layouts look similar because they are all similar products, and I doubt a client's going to care.

 

Can you post some sketches please, just so that I can see them and see how you work.

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Guest Taro

different layout is only to test out different results of your presentation. I don't think this is for sell anyways, at least for now, so there arent going to be clients seeing it.

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Guest Kaiyuan

Your presentation and technique is on top.

Very clean, and the UI is quite creative.

 

The exterior design is so-so in my opinion, though.

Some pointers:

 

Would it be ergonomic?

Would it be comfortable to hold in any position, say: upright and sideways? Is it "finger friendly" considering it's a touch screen?

How is this different/ how would this change the MP3 business?

How about energy efficiency, with all those different effects like themusic spectrum, etc, would the batteries run out, or could those effects be somehow light yet intriguing?

 

^Just some provocative thoughts I had.

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Guest csven

I think it'd be instructive to see an exploded view and some cross-sections of this thing; even if they're just sketches.

 

Or, if the author doesn't want to post any, I'd be very interested to see someone else give it a try. My guess is that it would be an excellent learning experience.

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